I do not know the proper translation of ojeras to English, suposedly it's like the title says.


Anyways, I've had since I was kid some people say it's genetic, other says it's bc of the diet, while other mentions they are bc of interrupted sleep cycles.  But I'm sure it has to be because of something wrong in the body and I'm wondering the opinion about it here at the resistance considering this place has a lot of knowledgable people concerning real optimum health.


Maybe following what has been researched about wholeness health would do the trick but I'm not sure about it.

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Comment by Chava on April 17, 2011 at 10:02pm

Sorry for the change in font size, somehow it copied that way from open office altough I did not changed it in the app.  MMS might very well activate with the stomach acid as another member said so, he notices that the MMS is activated when he burps hehe, although he puts more MMS in his water than recommended.


I have been taking a tea called riñovida (kidneylife) it has Taray wood, Common white Birch, Wild Eryngo, Blue wood, Horsetail, Hollyhock rose, Wintergreen, Dandelion and Wild grass, since taking it my urine sometimes have a distinct color, once it was cloudy white, and some other times the tipical color but darker, the first time I took it I noticed blurry vision and deep calmness, moments later I noticed better vision.


I'll start the liver cleanse tomorrow.  Thanks again all. 



Comment by kim mac donald on April 16, 2011 at 1:21am

Hi Chava,

Are you activating your mms with citric acid or lemon juice? If you just add drops to your water it will purify the water but the action of mms as a health product is done through the activation with acid. While possibly the hydrochloric acid in your stomach might do this, to be certain of getting the best effect please visit one of Jim Humble's websites or perhaps go to mmsdr.com (this has archived recorded calls which have great information).


Comment by Chava on April 15, 2011 at 4:21pm

Thanks so much! I really think all info provided will help my condition, specially stress I'm working on not carring all this weight over my shoulder (family, friends and the world situation).

Good thing I found where to get MMS in my country which I've been taking since more than two weeks, I've started to add MMS to my regular drinking water but I haven't let the MMS sit for 24 hours, is letting it sit for 24 hours necessary?


Also, I've stopped to take table salt (any kind but I've already found a good source of organic salt) since some months ago, months ago before joining the resistance actually, I guess no salt at all is no good.

I know you might know how I feel but I'll say it again anyways, thank you resistance, you've been great to all who want to achieve a complete higher vibration.


Comment by kim mac donald on April 15, 2011 at 10:49am

Wow! Thanks Jon & Satori.

This info helps me so much too!


Comment by Jon Vincent on April 15, 2011 at 8:41am
Well to my innerstanding, (and mostly experience) the body naturally sends out signs and symptoms its telling you something is wrong - which is great because you know there's an issue with your body.


As far as the solution is concerned well yes, the bags under your eyes are could be due to ADRENAL FATIGUE... but the body is composed interacting systems - so....there is no "one trick" to deal certain issues at times.  (Hopefully your lucky enough just to deal with it with Satori's advice - which I think is spot on).


So... where to even start... 


"THE HPA axis" is composed of the hypothalamus, pituitary gland and adrenals glands - the "H, P and A"  interact with each other - so if there is an imbalance in the adrenals you may have other issues as well. 

*The hypothalamus (sleep) and adrenals (your eyes)..clues?



Here's some practical things you can do to check:

Test #1: Iris Contraction Test
Test #2: Blood Pressure Test
Test #3: Sergent's White Line

*Do you make time for youself to relax?   or is your lifestyle still hectic?  Either ways its a clue that one need to take time to relax - being in a state of stress will naturally just tax the body.

*People with adrenal issues also should be sleeping more...as in a lot more to help rebalance their adrenals.


In regards to food and stress... the food we eat will make a dramatic impact on our daily life.  Food of course just isn't a bunch of calories, nutrients etc... its energy, its vibration.   In addition, certain foods also inflame and tax the body.  Allergens/food sensitives such as dairy, wheat - are the biggest culprits in North America... BUT WHITE RICE is the biggest culprit in asian countries such as JAPAN.  

*so the quality and VARIETY of the food is so important

*for healing to take place its a good idea to stay as ALKALINE as possible.  

*the MMS, BAKING SODA, CHLOROPHYLL, GREEN FOODS - all very good sources stay alkaline.

*I'm speaking in regards to personal experience (I've dealt with chronic fatigue myself)


Assimilation of Nutrients:  

Your diet may be clean but what if you can't digest and assimilate the food?  

"Your are what you eat..." but more accurately " you are what you digest/assimilate."

Are you digesting properly?  Do you have a history of bloating....poor digestion etc...

*Perhaps you need to work on you digestive and intestinal tract. Honestly.. eating healing foods such as RAW FOODS will do wonders in doing this.



The liver pretty much detoxs everything...just like kim said.  Not only that the liver also helps with other body organs...as they all interact:




The liver helps the thyroid secrete t3--->t4..... well ok logiclly we know this to be true, but honestly, intuitively we just know that the LIVER and THYROID are connected.


ALSO...the LIVER may not be getting to the root cause of the problem.  The idea is simple really - isolating the liver and only dealing with the liver - without healing others parts of the body will cause the liver to acquire the same issues - its just going to come back.  


FIX THE GUT?  well our bodies have certain strains of bacteria, it would be a good idea to rebalance the gut so your digestion works better.


Energy levels ---> Blood Sugar level

- refined foods and sugary substances just harm the body - low vibration food + distabilzation of blood sugar = not a good idea.


So there's a number of factors -but essentially the solution is simple - EAT FOODS THAT ARE ALIVE -  use supplements and herbs to support and heal as well. 


*eat whole foods that are alive, high vibration (do what you can...of course... best of the worst)

*avoid allergens and foods which cause inflammation (wheat, dairy....eggs)

*work on your digestion to you an take in the nutrients

*keep your body alkaline to help with the healing process

*stay hydrated, water and fiber to your system and free flow and move about.


*Liver Support:

- greens, green juices - e.g. KALE, BEATS

- bitter foods -bitter gourde, chickory, dandelion, grapefruits, onions,  

- lemons/limes juice (they have something called limonene, which helps with detox)

- selenium


DETOX (support)

- milk thistle

- dandelion root tea

- milk thistle

- dandilion root

*The liver also tends to be associated with feelings of anger, resentments, bitterness...just as Kim said.  


Thyroid - sea vegetables - (spirulina, cholorella) - iodine drops...

Heavy Metals/Detox: 

- sulfur containing foods - garlic, ginger, onion

- MSM (a sulphur product) is great as well

- MMS of course...

- cilantro and parsley are great too.

*Detox can a times be harsh - many people like to start off with a more gentle form - generally the more toxic the body is the more gently one should detox.

--->Castor Oil Packs are a good alternative for general detox.



*sugary foods feed the bad bacteria

*MMS and oil of oregno are noted for killing off bad bacteria/worms/parasites

*Probiotics - to replenish the good bacteria:  KEFIR a great source with many strains.  

("Liberté" tends to be a good brand....many strains)


Blood sugar stability..

- virgin coconut oil, schizandra

- chromium

- whole grains - such as spelt, quinoa,


Fibre and water =that drink that SATORI recommended is amazing has celery has tons of fibre .

*Raw foods to be AMAZING for healing - hydration, high vibration, high alkaline...

Those are just some things off the top of my head..That link what Satori posted in regards to the liver and kidney cleanse is great info. 


I hope some of the info helped with your quest for attaining optimal health.


Let me know how things go.


B W V.

Comment by kim mac donald on April 14, 2011 at 9:43pm

Hi Chava,

I have a similar thing and have had it since at least my teens. Diet can definitely help. In Chinese medicine under the eyes indicate stress to liver and kidneys. I have more puffiness than pigmentation which points me in the direction of taking good care of my kidneys which results in a better looking under eye area. I do this through a clean diet and avoiding caffeine.

The liver is also indicated for this area but I don't feel in my case it was the unhappy organ. Do you think it may be for you? The liver's job is pretty much to detoxify poisons. These can be from environment, drugs (prescribed, over the counter and recreational), chemicals in foods, alcohol,..the list goes on.

I'm sure there are herbs you can add to help support the kidneys and/or liver.

Hope this helps.

I've had really good success making this area look so much better and then just recently I started on the caffeine again and it's getting puffy and very obviously bags as you said.

Good luck!


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