I'm starting this discussion with the focus on the dynamic relationship Carl Jung laid out in some of his books, which he presumably used in therapy, for instance

"No psychic value can disappear without being replaced by another of equivalent intensity."

in "Modern Man in search of a Soul" and

"You can take away a man's gods, but only to give him others in return."

from "The Undiscovered Self", which essentially gives us the same thing, in more religious terms, as above. 

Isn't this what we've (including Sevan) all been saying? I believe all we really need, in terms of knowledge, is buried in a few gem stones such as the ones above, but also for instance: 

"The kingdom of heaven is within, and whoever seeks it shall find it" The book of Luke (skywalker? :) )  What you are trading here is your conscious energy (focus) and time, for a state of being (heaven/ realization of bliss within/ connection from the soul to you).

The only way you can take away people's notion of the Supreme Being is to either tell them it's outside of themselves... somewhere else; in the money, the water, food, the women, the other, but definitely not in you, as has happened in our age, routinely, brainwashing occurs and people are forced to surrender to the systems way of doing things... 

the opposite of "light at the end of the tunnel", But that all stops with us! 

The truth of the supreme being is it's in everything, in varying degrees of intensity, which brings us straight back to the first statement: "Psychic forces have to be replaced by something of equal, or more, intensity" for them to truly have an effect. For some reason, this reminds me of the eternal yin yang exchange of polarities, and the presence of opposites within each other: Everything has to constantly move and generate an electromagnetic force to adjust and overcome the relationship dynamics it has living in its environment, to achieve a state of balance and wholeness.

To give people (and yourself) back power is not only to say "it is all within, find it", but also to constantly guide them (and yourself) along a process of finding it... To Live a certain Life Style.

Now that we know what we're doing, let's get down to business with some examples: how do we replace a psychic force, how do we reprogram something we find disturbing in ourselves, with something more functional? 

I've found several methods Logic and Music, and first off, we have Logic, deductive reasoning through language, which is basically a very left brain male dominated pursuit, which goes straight to the conscious part of the brain for consideration, and re-wiring it by force, by laser beam, instead of indirectly, by flow and the blanket of emotion, covered by the range of frequencies in musical harmonies/ symphonies. 

Let us say we are reasoning with someone of a Saturnalian predisposition / perspective / "conviction", and they said to us, "We would love to believe in what you do, for instance wholeness and the holographic universe, but we simply don't see life that way, and don't find any evidence for your theories in our daily living, we believe the universe is materialistic at core and might dominates right, wars are necessary, we are all separate, "from dust to dust", make the best of it, I say celebrate the way the Romans did and go out with a fiery bang.

It doesn't matter what people say, or do, it only matters in so far as it effects you, so use your power for yourself and get the most out of all opportunities, if you have to exploit people, do so, we believe fully that "...The means are justified by the ends..." as can be seen by our actions in the military industrial complex and so on, there always has to be a foundation, a basic structure, and we provide that structure by breaking everything down into its common denominator, motivating people by greed is not beyond us".

Now, reasoning with someone like this is no joke, and if you're not careful, you might even get dragged down a few notches yourself, by their examples and extreme belief in nothing, a.k.a nihilism, or base/ dense concepts which lack any real hope in living in a sustainable way.

So, before engaging anyone who you try to help, you still have to even consider whether you are in a position to help them, and reconfigure what they say, so that you do not get trapped in the position of a child trying to help their parents, or fighting against it, as if it were only an external enemy; can you afford getting involved? Let's hypothetically say yes, and go forwards with a reply which might look something like this: 

"Dear Saturnalians / Questioners, thank you for writing to us, we can see your point of view, but would like to encourage you to investigate your own world and universe more deeply, instead of staying convinced of what you already believe to "know".

In our experience, investigating an issue from multiple points of view simultaneously can unlock the issue very quickly for you, for instance, you say "from dust to dust" with a smell of negativity, as well as "the ends justify the means", but do you know that the dust spoken of is star dust, and that atomically, particles in your body can be traced back to stars and planets which went supernova?

We encourage you to reconsider your Saturnalian position, not because there is no truth to it, but more because there is only a certain level of truth to it, and can you afford to keep operating according to outdated, or base principles? When you can have the whole thing? The harmony of all the spheres? From the philosophical, logical and theoretical physics point of view, the ends only justify the means as long as you are still operating in a system of linear time, and even then, that maxim is very debatable, if you switch to the operating system of cyclical time, you can see that both MEANS and ENDS, when collapsed in a singularity, are found to be the same thing. 

Moreover, scientists such as Dan Winter have already given us methods for achieving this state of singularity and emotional coherence, if we are serious about it, and the Grandmaster Taoist Mantak Chia has shown us a way for something greater than a "Big quote "fiery" Bang" and "Bachanallian Orgies" to fill our lives with more love and joy, in his books, principles such as "Orgasm without Ejaculation" and "Spiritualized Sexuality" are covered, which offer a method for transmuting facts of daily life, which cannot be ignored, into higher forces for good, and elevation, instead of evil (live backwards) and debasement.

We thank you for reaching out for help and asking question, as well as supplying us with an honest description of your world view". 

For now on the musical side of deprogramming, I will simply leave a play list, of Gustav Holst Symphony "The Planets" here, and also leave the comments section open for more discussion of all of this. 

The suite has seven movements, each named after a planet and its corresponding astrological character:

1. Mars, the Bringer of War (00:00 - 07:21)
2. Venus, the Bringer of Peace (07:22 - 15:59);
3. Mercury, the Winged Messenger (16:00 - 19:51);
4. Jupiter, the Bringer of Jollity (19:52 - 27:49);
5. Saturn, the Bringer of Old Age (27:50 - 36:31);
6. Uranus, the Magician (36:32 - 42:14)
7. Neptune, the Mystic (42:15 - 49:01).

Wholeness and Balance.