For a long time this debate has raged.  Some wont eat meat as it is wrong to kill something to eat, as animals has souls too.  The debate has raged for such a long time and no-one ever end up being right.  As there is no right and wrong in this.  Its a matter of choice.

Here I will attempt to bring together a few views and research, so that you the reader can decide on what side of the fence you are or maybe even on the fence.  The choice are your own.


On 2 February 1966 a world leading Polygraph expert, Cleve Baxter, made an astounding discovery.  It was one of those finds that a scientist comes across while looking for something else.  In this case there was a plant sale near his office, and his secretary brought in a couple of plants.  He saturated then with water, curious as to how long it would take for the moisture to reach the top of the plants, particularly with the Dracaena cane, since the moisture had to climb a long way to the top and to the end of the leaves.  He places electrodes that measured the galvanic skin response (one part of the lie detector) in several places to measure the resistance.  When the moisture reached a particular electrode, the resistance would drop and be recorded since water is a conductor, not a resistor.

Baxter noted something unusual on the chart that looked more like what would be expected is a person were taking a lie detector test, even though moisture hadn't yet entered the leaf.  From this discovery he got curious as to how the plant might react to a threat.  He has the image of burning the leaf that he was testing and without having verbalized the thought, he touched the plant with he equipment, and the pen jumped off the chart.  He got matches from the secretary's desk and waved a lit one by the leaf a few times, but the reaction was already so intense that it didn't make a difference.  When he took the matches back to the desk in the other room, the plant calmed down.

He realized that something quite significant was happening, and from there on he dedicated his time and attention to look further into this phenomenon.  He did various experiments that showed that plants did perceive and respond to human emotions.  Rather than calling this capacity extrasensory perception (ESP), he called it Primary perception, since plants don't process sensory apparatus that humans do.  Primary perception is something that takes place at a much more fundamental level.  Others began to call this the "Baxter effect".

In the article titled "Man in partnership with Nature" (, Jeff Frank writes.

Mr Baxter proved scientifically that plants could think and respond!  A Consciousness!...  Baxter did months of research and found plants respond to threats as well as healing peaceful thoughts.  Plants love to listen to easy-listening music and classical music (but no heavy metal) and seemed to be attuned to animal life.  The plants wound actually tell when a human subject on the polygraph machine was lying!   Baxter found out in stress conditions, as when it is being cut, a plant will "faint" so it can't feel any pain, it goes "flat line" on the machine.  With fruit, the plant wish to give up its fruit only in a loving ritual, a communion between the eater and the eaten, a sacrifice.  Baxter said, "It may be that a vegetable appreciates becoming another part of another form-of life rather than rotting on the ground, just as a humans death may experience relief to find himself on a higher realm of "being"

After Baxter's initial discovery, there was considerable interest and further replication of his results by others, yet the Western science community generally reacted with derisiveness followed by ultimately ignoring his work.  On the other hand, when Baxter discussed his findings with a Indian Scientist, Buddhist or Hindu he stated, ("Instead of giving me a bunch of grief, they say, "What took you so long?"  My work dovetails with many of the concepts embraced by Hinduism and Buddhism." Its also dovetails with what the Findhorn community was discovering at about the same time, what quantum physicists have been telling us, and the research on DNA cited earlier in this book.

--------- taken from the book Earth Magick by Steven D. Farmer-----------

This clip show more on just how receptive plants are.

During my training as Shaman and Druid, I was told to go talk to a tree.  I thought my guides has gone bonkers.  Yet something in me told me to do that.  I have learned to open to animals and to speak with them, so why not plants.  I went outside took my chair, placed it under the old Oak tree and listened.  A hour passed, the horses and the cats came over and settled around me.  Then just when I was about to give up, I felt the flicker.  A really light touch.  At first I thought it was one of the animals, but eventually realized that it was the tree.

When learning to speak to animals you learn that they have very little words, they speak in emotions and pictures.  Domestic animals and familiars tend to speak telepathically, as they learn from young to respond to our language.  Trees and plants speak is different, its slow, gentle, fluid. They use energy and emotions, and pictures.  That tree showed me its life, pictures of people that moves around it, a little girl sitting under it when she was really sad.  How he comforted her.  It was aware of all the other plants and animals around it.  It was able to communicate to them, as the older ones remember the season cycle, it gives the other plants the ques as to when to conserve energy and water, and when its a time of abundance.  They learn, feel, are sad, happy, etc.

It shocked me at first, but also helped me remember the old teachings, the ancient druid teaching of the old druids that once roamed this world.  In a time when nature was still respected.  When the plants and the animals meant companionship, healing, food and shelter.

In the movie Avatar, the man learn to hunt, learn to kill the animal, saying a incantation over him, thanking him for his sacrifice, so that they can live.  This is something many do not understand.  This system was build for service in love.  The souls that come here has to learn to serve those around them in love, and in return they serve themselves.  The plant sacrifice its life for the animal to eat, so that it can live.  It leaves its life force behind while its soul move on and return to source.  The animals body uses that life force as well as the nutrients that is the plants makeup.  Us as humans eat the plant and the animals, their sacrifice give us life force.  Something our bodies need.

Animal life force are stronger, its a warmer energy, where plant life force are of a colder energy, together they are what balance the human's life force.  the eating of either one or both is a matter of choice.  None is right or wrong.

what is however a issue, is that food produced in a wrong way can affect your life force.  There is much research on this issue, but that is another discussion.

Being vegetarian, or not, is a life choice, you can not tell others their choice is wrong, as its not.  A plant gave his life so you can eat, or a animal gave its life.  which is right the pot or the kettle, their both in the fire and both burned black.

You as reader decide it remain our own personal choice.

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This is top notch!! Thanks so much Anush!!!


Quoting a friend

Sun, (Life without it? Bottom of the sea?)

Water, (Does every living thing need Water? How do crystals grow?)

Plants need Water and Sun yes?

Animals need Plants & Water (Some need Sun, Some eat other Animals, most produce Vitamin C&D etc.)

Humankind needs Plants & Water, Animals by choice and Sun to produce Vitamin D (and other benefits etc.)

Some of Dan Winters' work shows what Emotions do,

I'm looking at Marty Leeds and Marco Rodin to see how it applies to what Dan Winter is saying.

Drunvalo Melchizedek stated in "The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life", basically, don't take information at face value, so when you read something, make sure you look at it from all angles.

On this plane, we can only see three sides of an object at a time, unless you use mirrors!

I feel to see the animals point of view in your writings.

You said that plants have the ability to checkout before being cut down, and will happily go if it know its going to be a part of a positive higher process. That is hyperintelligence.

The same could be said for animals if you would only think positive thoughts walk up to a chicken and it not run away, bite its head off , but before this happened the chicken would do what plants do and checkout before death, but they don't they scream till the death, probably because they know, they are going to waste.

Not to mention humans carry, animal traits, its like eating family, we have their physical characteristics, and we also have animal thoughts and in comparing these fact with plants, we consume plants, very rarely will you find a plant that resembles or carries human physical traits. They actually help to fuel higher levels of consciousness in us. Animals don't help by consumption, but you will find plenty of animals to talk to in lucid dream to tell you upon you wake what types of plants to consume for a desired outcome.

the knowledge does get alot deeper cause we could think about the galactic, cosmic,esoteric, and the universalism," as above aspect of this whole thing.

But, digress, cause to me the question, right or wrong , meat or plant is a given...The question really should be why or why not.

I agree with you, its apart of a much broader view.  There is SO much more to this than just this.

I have personally found that my demeanor has become more peaceful since eating vegetables and fruits only. I don't get really hostile with people when we argue as much and I feel somewhat more satisfied with my hunger after eating lots and lots of veggies which are low in fat in comparison in meat. in addition you're doing your a body a favor by allowing it to digest quicker and easier than meat which tends to decay and rot as its being digest hence you can be more energetic. But always remember everyone is different and nobody should be forced to conform to an idea just because somebody else seems happy about it. However I do want to point out that you want to know where your food is coming from and how its produced most importantly as a lot of meats and even vegetables are loaded with chemicals that may not help your progress plus the freshness=vibrancy of the vegetables and/or fruit

I am at  great turmoil myself over a related issue. I have hunted with dogs for rabbit hare and deer for a period spanning the last 7 years. I never kill more than i need, I never kll anything that will not be eaten by myself or dogs . Iam swift to dispatch and and always say a few thankfull words for the giving of its life for the purpose of my family and I.

I am very spiritually minded and have a great love for nature and all of her being. I am however stuck between whether it is actually ok to hunt for food or am I inflicting damage upon myself that I am later to find out, Maybe in many ways.

Your opnions will be greatly appreciated

A littl lost ... Terry .. U.K

To start with, no judgment, as I don't judge -myself- consciously unless its going to help, I'll just give you the best knowledge I have at present.

Food itself is part of the illusion, an eventual state can be to move past it, some teachers can teach you this. I am not there yet, but do find myself needing much less food than before, though I still enjoy the boost some energies give. (Maca, Organic Nuts, fruits, berries etc)

Almine says she has communicated with plants, and they specifically are happy either being eaten, or returning to the earth to grow again, it may of course come from how much love you show them - both ways they return to the earth eventually. I would suggest (based on its behavior) if you asked an animal if it wanted to die or not, it would most of the time say not, not always of course. Sevan had a great point, Plants don't run away from you, or rather fruit or nuts drop for you to take. - You are like their soil, and I know a program may say it is disgusting to talk about, but you are a processing device for them in that regard to return to the earth.

Does this make eating meat right or wrong, no, that is a duality, and would be a judgment of me (my projection of the illusion) not you.

Everything is what it eats. Is eating cloned meat (much of the food they feed animals is cloned these days in the UK for instance) - good or bad for you, you decide. Do you want to be part clone? It is the same as asking if you want to eat hybrid vegetables, vegetables grown to be bigger than they naturally are, do you want to be part hybrid?

No judgment on my end, just the best knowledge I can giv eyou. I would rather not kill anything, as I don't like the idea of something feeding off me without my say so, I used to be this way with all plants, until I start accepting plants don't mind returning to the earth. - Though I respect the source(s), certainly i'd like more people investigating this statement, as so far I've not been able to communicate with plants.

Removing myself from this killing circle/cycle gives me a good solid defense to run against anything looking to do the same - you are what you eat and do. There are natural predators out there for your energy, I've met them, and I believe there is an instinctive benefit to not being part of the cycle of forced energy consumption (though it may be the belief itself that gives me that control). Else, in my mind, if I were to kill things to survive i'd have no reason to expect any consideration when the same came for me. - Again no judgment just what I perceive.

Hope it helps

First of all I would like to thank you for taking the time to reply to my plea.  As the years have passed and my knowledge of the elites intentions of destroying our economies, forcing up fuel prices so high that the supermarkets can no longer deliver foods to the shelves, along with the rest of the misery which may arrise from the nwo plans ect...I have always taken some comfort in the fact that I can aways povide some meat for my family should that time come.  I am however in my heart aware that the laws of energy negate this being a valid practice. And if im honest I do comprehend that it is not right, for as you say' if I take that life and consume it how can I stand up and dispute if the same where to be inflicted upon me'. ( i have found some statements to suggets this is already happening according to some E.T. contactee's)   It looks like a little fear is manifesting self, allowing my decision making to be clouded.  I am very grateful of your reply. 

Gratitude manifested and sent for the reply, it made me consider more angles than I had before.

Such as if it's our fear that creates the predatory ET's in the first place, in our own projection.



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